Saturday, February 18, 2017


Nationalism is a devotion to one or other of the many nations on the planet, with particular reference to the nation's cultural peculiarities combined with the belief that nations benefit by acting independently of each other. This means that national rather than international interests dominate the agenda and there are some who have been persuaded that Nationalism is a simple, sometimes idiotic, solution to complexities in the world they have no desire to think too hard about.

Patriotism is a devotion to a country and this devotion is not based upon whether the country in question is chasing a nationalist interest or an internationalist interest.  The problem is when Nationalism and Patriotism are assumed to be the same thing. Heroes are either mythological divinities who have things like magic swords, or they are mortal men and women of noble purpose who often end up getting killed. What "noble purpose" might be is entirely subjective, which is why hero's are for history books and stories.


Anonymous said...

"What is survival if you do not survive whole? Ask the Bene Tleilax that! What if you no longer hear the music of life? Memories are not enough unless they call you to noble purpose!"

tim candler said...

Go for it for it Elberry. You have an incredible mind to be able to remember that line. Scarier still, I've been rereading the book and trying to watch the four hour movie. Might even be your fault I'm multitasking. Hope you're not employed by the NSA. I will say that in my better days I'd be a one of the sand people, smuggling spice to keep the satellites at bay, as we waited for our turn to conquer, take our rightful place as champions of good. I liked the bit at the end where the water returned. Not sure the Savior character was a hero, too damn engaged to his destiny and breeding. But the man, I forget his name, who escaped the devils and found himself returned to his desert refusing to submit to thirst or sun and as we wait there was hope that will alone would overcome, then rather wonderfully a worm put him out of his misery. He was what you call a high end hero, the kind that gets sacrificed for noble purpose and the only songs written about him are anonymous. Live long and prosper.

Anonymous said...

The Imperial ecologist Liet-Kynes, i think - Max von Sydow plays him in the film, if i recall aright. Most of the real heroes are obscure and leave little trace in history. The so-called heroes tend to be, at best, lesser men with the bullheadedness or luck to make a change for what seems the better (depends on your timeline, something Herbert explores with Paul's son and the so-called "Golden Path" in 'God Emperor of Dune').

The movie has great acting and great visuals but wastes so much talent, still it's a great weird 80s film, with a nearly-naked Sting prancing about.

tim candler said...

That's the man. The ecologist. Not sure the Dune movie I watched had Sting in it. But maybe I just didn't recognize him. I kind of stop around the Rolling Stones, MC5 and Captain Beefheart. You're right about luck, bullheadedness and "depends on your timeline." I've got to get hold of some of the other Frank Herbert stories. Look forward to part two of Toddball's Existential Crisis.